Doing my analysis of American Express’s transfer bonus history got me thinking about some of the uses for miles that are relatively rare in the blogosphere, but still might have utility to someone, potentially with a transfer bonus. Flying Blue, the loyalty program of Air France and KLM (and Kenya Airways and a few others) has a few interesting quirks.
A Japan Airlines 777-300
Why Flying Blue?
I will preface this by saying that Flying Blue now does dyanmic pricing of awards, though there is generally a known lowest dynamic price for a route. They also add pretty high fuel surcharges to their European awards, and pass on fuel surcharges from other carriers. Most programs have some kind of sweet spot though, and Flying Blue has much better award availability on their own flights than partner programs like Delta’s does.
Let me also say that the gold standard for US to Japan awards in the blogosphere seems to be transfering American Express points to Virgin Atlantic during a 30% bonus and booking ANA business or first class. From the eastern US, Virgin charges 95,000 miles round trip in business class and 120,000 miles round trip in first class. It is important to make an apples-to-apples comparison, so that would be 36,539 American Express points each way for a business class ticket to Japan, which is amazing.
Generally, economy mileage redemptions are not a great value in most programs, so I will assume that business class and first class are the default thing to redeem miles for.
Booking Methods for Japan Airlines
But let’s say for some reason you have your heart set on flying Japan Airlines, or have some obscure routing requirement (like originating in a small US airport with expensive domestic flights, or wanting to fly to Osaka without taking an intra-Asia flight, which I did). So what are your options for booking JAL? Looking at a one-way business class ticket from North America to Tokyo (I’ve included the number of miles with Amex’s usual transfer bonus after the slash, and the number of miles necessary for one domestic connection):
|Frequent Flyer Program||Miles (nonstop)||Miles (domestic connection)|
|British Airways||108,250 / 77,322||123,250 / 88,036|
|Air France / KLM||115,000 / 92,000||115,000 / 92,000|
Flying Blue is still a quite expensive option (I included Emirates to demonstrate that it is not the most expensive), though not by much with a 25% transfer bonus and a connection. There is a certain confluence of events where that might prove useful:
- You can transfer points from any of the major transferrable point programs (American Express, Chase, Citi, Capital One, and Marriott Bonvoy) to Flying Blue. Award Hacker is a useful tool for figuring out which points transfer to which frequent flyer programs, as well as the standard rates that each program has for a given city pair.
- You need to, or would prefer to, fly with a connection vs a non-stop flight.
- You have a lot of points in one of the transferrable currencies and don’t many have Japan Airlines, American, or Alaska miles. The only transferrable points program that transfers to those programs is Marriott Bonvoy, so they can be more difficult to obtain.
One interesting quirk here is that Flying Blue’s US partner is Delta, while all of the other programs partner with American Airlines and/or Alaska Airlines. So booking with Flying Blue gets you access to a quite different route map for domestic connections. Additionally, four of the cities that Japan Airlines flies to are Delta hubs (Boston, New York, Los Angeles, and Seattle). See the map below for the full list of Japan Airlines’ North American destinations.
Given that the cost in miles for a Flying Blue booking is only competitive for bookings with a connection within North America, Flying Blue is going to be most valuable if you do not start in one of the cities listed, or you cannot find award availability on the nonstop flights from the city you want to start in. If you live in a city with expensive domestic flights, having both British Airways and Flying Blue as an option could be very valuable.
Certain people (*cough* crazy people like me) also like to fly interesting flights, and you could fly from Boston to Los Angeles on Delta’s 757 with lie flat seats in business class, and then from Los Angeles to Osaka on Japan Airlines. Were you to book through another program, you would have to fly American or Alaska from Boston to Los Angeles, which does not have lie flat seats.
Other Flying Blue Quirks
There are a few other quirks worth mentioning that could be useful:
First, if you live in a city served by Air France, they allow routing a North America to Asia route via Europe (the long way). Strangely, the cost in miles for this is lower for this than the transpacific routing at 95,000 miles, but it also comes with $400 in taxes and fuel surcharges. Depending on your valuation of Flying Blue miles and/or transferrable points, this could be a good deal, but it likely is not.
Second, if you are interested in flying Delta to Japan and then connecting on to somewhere within Japan or Asia, you booking with Flying Blue allows you to connect from Delta on Japan Airlines, which could be useful because Delta does not have a Japanese airline partner, and Japan Airlines flights can be quite expensive when booked with cash. However, if you are a tourist, you might consider a Japan Rail Pass, a JAL Japan Explorer Pass, or an ANA Experience Japan Fare.
Third, they have a similar partnership with Qantas, though awards are expensive and availability is very tough to find. Connections from Delta to Qantas in Asia have the potential to be valuable, and Qantas’ Asia routes may have more award availability, but it is still expensive and tough.
Lastly, for travel to Europe on Air France and KLM flights, they have promo awards, which can often be a good deal, but cannot get you to Japan.
A Shinto Shrine in Japan
The Bottom Line
If you want to fly Japan Airlines and have a certain confluence of events, it’s useful to keep Flying Blue in your toolbox. This will be most useful for folks in cities without direct service on Japan Airlines and where a domestic connection would be expensive to book with cash (like Philadelphia, Miami, or Atlanta) that has common flights to Delta to a city served by Japan Airlines. However, if you have miles in a program like American or Alaska, you might consider saving your transferrable points and using those (and consider whether the premium for first class is worth it).